themintycupcake:

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themintycupcake:

I always knew that exclusionists were out of touch, but after working in offline, physical LGBTQ+ spaces it reeeeaaaallllly hits that point home. At the LGBTQ+ Center I work at, we encourage everyone who comes in to sign in. This is because the more visitors they get, the more funding they’re given. Trying to deny resources to people you don’t think are “gay enough” is literally counter-productive because of how funding works. The only time we’re going to have a problem with you is if you’re openly being disrespectful or bigoted, which is how communities should be filtered. That’s why you’re gonna be asked to leave if you’re being a dick to the aroace kid or the bi girl with her boyfriend or the straight ally who walks in. We’re not prioritizing them over you for their orientation or yours, you’re just an asshole.

this is so funny because no actual exclusionist cares about cishet aces/aros or cis aroaces coming to an lgbt center because lgbt centers are just community centers that are lgbt-friendly

when we talk about resources we mean actual real resources that can determine if someone lives or not like lgbt shelters, suicide hotlines, etc.

i mean but yeah continue to call other gay and trans people who might be actual victims of gatekeeping regs and continue to think that just because you went outside once in your 24 years of life you know everything and be smug to a bunch of teenagers online

Here’s the thing, though: homeless shelters and suicide hotlines? Those are also things that get funding based on how many people use them. Because, again, this is how non-profits are supposed to work. Also, there’s a phenomenon that seems to be going on with exclusionists on this website that we like to call Schrödinger’s Asexual: cishet aces don’t get kicked out of their homes for being ace, but they’re taking all the beds at the homeless shelter! Cishet aces don’t get bullied or feel suicidal for being ace, but they’re clogging up the suicide hotlines! Supposedly! I have yet to see an instance of this being as widespread of an issue as it’s claimed to be. And even if it were, then clearly there’s a problem here. There are people hurting and they need help that we can provide.

i love how you assume every cishet ace/aro and aroace is middle to upper class and they dont experience class oppression dont get me wrong it seems most of them are but i tried to give yall the benefit of the doubt. but anyways you know you dont have to be kicked out of your home to be able to go to a shelter. you can simply no longer be in your house for other reasons and need a place to stay but if that cishet ace thinks theyre entitled to a bed at the limited lgbt shelters when many homophobic and transphobic shelters would readily take them in thats you know, bad

theres also no reason for cishet aces/aros and cis aroaces to be calling into lgbt suicide hotlines and not a normal one because there is no reason you should be feeling suicidal over people online saying you’re not lgbt or your family and friends not understanding your asexuality/aromanticism when theres people in the best case scenario worrying about how people are going to react and treat them if they find out theyre lgbt. just because cishet aces/aros and cis aroaces feel like theyre different from other cishet people it does not entitle them to our resources that they can basically aquire anywhere else where these resources are very limited to lgbt people.

I love that you’re downplaying the problem of ace acceptance from family and peers. You’re assuming that the biggest problem aces and aros face in their interpersonal lives is just people not understanding them. You assume that no one has ever been subject to outright rejection or even violence for being a-spec. I especially love that you just outright claim that no one has a reason to feel suicidal over the lack of ace acceptance, as if anyone needs an acceptable “reason” to feel suicidal. (Seriously, are you kidding me with this?) There is no reason at all for LGBTQ+ hotlines to not have scripts for asexuals and aromantics. It’s not just for a-specs who are cis and/or het, either. LGBTQ+ a-specs can use them, too. Threatening to pull funding from organizations like the Trevor Project for having an a-spec script (which actually happened) is literally taking resources away from LGBTQ+ people.

Something I forgot to mention in my previous response: you seem to seriously misunderstand what LGBTQ Centers actually do for the community. They’re more than just a meeting place. They offer addiction programs, STI/HIV testing, support groups, literature, LGBTQ-friendly doctors and lawyers and businesses, just to name a few examples. And no one is going to take or receive resources if they don’t need them. And if they do need them? Then they’re welcome to use them. We want people who need them to use them.